User talk:ZyMOS/archive4

Objects, HowTos, Guides
ZyMOS, let me clarify our concepts and ask your opinion about naming of our articles.

Objects are hubs for Guides and Howtos, like extensions of Wikipedia pages. Objects can be abstract (Mathematics) or rather concrete (MediaWiki 1.11.0). Guides are abstract manuals organizing tasks that have to be done to accomplish a project. Howtos are exact procedures for very specific tasks.
 * Yes
 * Im not sure if you are say this, but my understanding is. Guides are broad.  like Guide to Linux.  It conains more of and article structure with links to howtos and objects.
 * Yess

Right? So, Objects will contain lists. Guides will contain text. Howtos will contain lists, and that is how the Wikihowto is organized. If you want to write about some specific procedural knowledge in our system, you need to create a Guide, then write Howtos for it, or write a Howto and then link it to a guid or object.

It is all logical and good, but that requires much work in organizing pages.

And I have a need for freedom to write procedural information directly to the Object pages by writing a unique name and omiting "howto" or "guide" for simplicity reasons.

I mean, for me it is more tasteful, natural and straightforward just to think up a unique objectival topic (namespace) without writing "Howto:.. " or "Guide to..", and write very specific description of it's creation.
 * I have though about using a namespace like Howto:, and Guide:, and it seems like a good idea, if the approach being used right now is not good.

I want to write "Derivation of Taylor's formula with residual term for multivariable function" or simply "Taylor's formula with residual term for multivariable function" ("how to create" is implied from the project name, why should I bother writing it) instead of "Howto derive generalized Taylor formula with residual term for multivariable function" ?

--Inyuki 17:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC) Do you think the word "Howto " or "Guide to" is always necessary?
 * I understad what you are saying. Two reasons why I like them being used
 * Search engins. If you seach howto xxxx we will be high on the list.
 * It describs exactly what we are, a howto site.
 * Derivation of Taylor's formula with residual term for multivariable function, could be a paper written for a doctoral thesis. Howto derive Taylor's formula with residual term for multivariable function.  Makes it seem like you don't need to be a expert.  It makes it more inviting for users who are searching for solutions to problems.


 * Problems with this method. Sometimes using howto xxx for a howto type page doesn't read well. Guide to chip packages sounds much better than Howto identify chip packages.  It really should be a howto, but its sounds awful.  So far i havn't come up with a solution.  Half these type pages are left as guides and half are converted to howtos.  If they are left as guides then we will have little to distinguish guides from howtos and people will choose the prefix they want when creating them.  If we correct them, then they will be much less popular.  I have no solution to this....


 * PS, have you checked out the portal system i started. Portal:Main,  Tell me what you think.

ZyMOS 20:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. I see. I think a good alternative name for your page could be Identification of chip packages, because this is the THING that you can get by going through the howto. Maybe it's an overly-nounized form, but I believe it is easier to interpret for dumb search engines, because it does not have a sentence structure. It only has an intersection of sets "Identification * chip package", and the name such as "Howto identify chip packages" is essentially a question with a more complex grammar. The bottom line of what I want to say is, if something can be expressed in a concept, is it really necessary to make it more complex by writing a sentence?
 * Of course, there are many cases when it is better to use the prefixes Howto: or Guide to:. So, my question was - "Do you think it will be okay if we allow the prefix-less articles?", because at least I have a preference to do so for the mentioned above simplicity reasons.
 * Yes, I have checked your portal system. It is really good page to have for portals in one place. It may be more important in the future, when we'll have more people wanting to highlight the best material for their area of activity or expertise.
 * I have one comment though. I believe that quality contents will give a better promotion effect than any efforts to organize our still scarce contents, and here is why:
 * Quality contents will be linked by other people from quality websites.
 * Only one such good link will stimulate a person to see for other stuff that is here. A person just finds a good source of information, and he or she remembers the website address if s/he thinks it is useful. I have such experience with several websites which I keep accessing until now. They were: http://dict.cn (Chinese-English dicationary), http://www.onelook.com (English-English dictionary), http://www.google.com, http://zdic.net (a Chinese-Chinese dictionary), http://www.ctrans.org/cjdic (Chinese-Japanese dictioanry), http://www.alc.co.jp (a Japanese-Japanese dictionary) etc.
 * Keeping this in mind, recently I tried to create an experimental main page, which I find handy for myself. What do you think about it?
 * Quality contents will be linked by other people from quality websites.
 * Only one such good link will stimulate a person to see for other stuff that is here. A person just finds a good source of information, and he or she remembers the website address if s/he thinks it is useful. I have such experience with several websites which I keep accessing until now. They were: http://dict.cn (Chinese-English dicationary), http://www.onelook.com (English-English dictionary), http://www.google.com, http://zdic.net (a Chinese-Chinese dictionary), http://www.ctrans.org/cjdic (Chinese-Japanese dictioanry), http://www.alc.co.jp (a Japanese-Japanese dictionary) etc.
 * Keeping this in mind, recently I tried to create an experimental main page, which I find handy for myself. What do you think about it?
 * Only one such good link will stimulate a person to see for other stuff that is here. A person just finds a good source of information, and he or she remembers the website address if s/he thinks it is useful. I have such experience with several websites which I keep accessing until now. They were: http://dict.cn (Chinese-English dicationary), http://www.onelook.com (English-English dictionary), http://www.google.com, http://zdic.net (a Chinese-Chinese dictionary), http://www.ctrans.org/cjdic (Chinese-Japanese dictioanry), http://www.alc.co.jp (a Japanese-Japanese dictionary) etc.
 * Keeping this in mind, recently I tried to create an experimental main page, which I find handy for myself. What do you think about it?
 * Keeping this in mind, recently I tried to create an experimental main page, which I find handy for myself. What do you think about it?


 * --Inyuki 10:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Center the logo and link to langages in Wikicomment
Hello, I tried to center the logo and links to langages in the first page of Wikicomment, using center and /center without success. May you help doing it for me ? Thanks for help.--Jbm747 19:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I just tried to do it here, I used five

&amp;nbsp
 * symbols to center it. 18:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Story list
Hi, ZyMOS. Previously I mentioned that sometimes writing a story is a good way to explain howto type of information. Even though we do not have good examples of such stories yet, do you think it would be reasonable to create a pagelist with "Story" prefix? One thing that may be good about it, is attracting people to write accomplishment stories. A drawback is perhaps not very naturally sounding names (restriction of the word order to such as "Story of ..").

What do you think?

--19:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I need help
Hi ZyMOS,

I am currently working on a project and this site was the only one with any relevant info; however, I am still in the dark on a few things so is there anyway I can contact the person who posted this article. I have some how-to questions for him/her/it :oP

http://howto.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_import_FreePCB_gerber_(CAM)_files_into_CircuitCam_for_use_with_a_LPKF_milling_machine

Thanks

157.201.199.95 22:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC) <---I'm new at this. In case anyone is wondering that isn't my name but you can call me Bob. Hi I posted that one.. Ask away... also make a login so i can reply to u ZyMOS 05:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi I posted that one.. Ask away... also make a login so i can reply to u ZyMOS 05:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

FreePCB to circiutCam
Cool, you are just the guy I need then. I am currently in college going into Computer Engineering. One of my professors/employers has given me the task of finding a suitable, inexpensive PCB layout program that is compatible with circuitCam for my fellow college students. FreePcb is an excellent choice, and the best part is that it is free. However, I have hit a road block. Whenever I use CircuitCam's wizard to import FreePCB's cam files it says it needs a tool/aperture/translation list in a .txt file format. I went to FreePCB's forum and entered in contact with allan, the author, he claims that the format is RS274X which should include an embedded list if I understand it correctly. So my big question is how do you get around that or is there a list that is available?

Thanks Derek, aka Bob

CompEnIdaho 14:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Forum usage
Hello, ZyMOS. Sorry for not responding for a while. Before you asked what I mean by saying because it takes much time to go through all sorts of branches of it. I meant that usually forums have many branches, and especially when the connection to Wikia is slow, it is difficult or time consuming to review all it's pages to see what's new.

Anyhow, I just started using Forum:Main_discussion agreeing that it may be good to move the main page, but there is a problem that there is no 'Leave message' button, so one has to edit the whole page (which takes more time because the page is large and sometimes loads slowly).

--Inyuki 10:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Paper airplane
Hi, ZyMOS. I think your hack is a good thing for general improvement of the howto itself. I will make some other page, if I want to specifically compare the ways of explaining procedural knowledge...

--Inyuki 11:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Inventions wikia thing...
Web-based people's self-organization tool - a starter example to look at...

--Inyuki 11:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Promotional description of wikihowto on my homepage
Hi, ZyMOS. I invite you to read promotional description of Wikihowto at my homepage, just in order to share the personal attitudes towards Wikhowto - http://i.tai.lt

--Inyuki 08:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Becomming a Wikimedia project...
Hi, ZyMOS.

Thank you for reminding the importance of becomming a Wikimedia project. I will give a more detailed write-up in my earliest convenience.

One interesting thing to notice, is that [www.howtopedia.org www.howtopedia.org] is too evolving, GDFL-ed. Many people will like their website's appearance, and I think it is important for us to make a similar presentation. I believe that in order to become a wikimedia project, we must target at diverse, and tested knowledge (not limiting ourselves to simple technologies, but encompassing everything), well, I think that is what we already do (except for not so much testing (???)).

I think we should host an example of our project's uncluttered version with few visitors, based on Wikihowto at Wikia.

--Inyuki 08:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

recent discussion
Hi, ZyMOS.

I am sorry for the dalay to your responce. I would like to point out that I agree with your proposal of this year's goal, and becomming a Wikimedia project might just be the best way of achieving our goals.

I am having some trouble in actually contributing the Wikihowto and discussing it, since I am rarely online, mainly accessing the Internet from my mobile phone. It would be convenient to have a dedicated public mailing list for our goal (which we do have provided from Wikia, but somehow we are not actually using it).

--Inyuki 08:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I look into it ZyMOS 01:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/howto-l exists. I am joining as an administrator, and Angela, and some other two participants from stcloudstate.edu and netscape.net are joining. --Inyuki 07:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the link to the mailing list in the Main page's discussion page. --Inyuki 07:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleaned it up
I think I got your "object" template to work now, by moving it from === to == in each header. The tags at the bottom can't be taken off right now. Our research shows that category tagging is terrifically important for google ranking of your content. color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 00:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

a tip for a fellow pywikipedia user
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1885569&group_id=93107&atid=603139

Offensive User
I am not a member on this site. Please ban user payne.bellamuerte and thank you. Reasons:

Terms of use: You may not use the Service and may not accept the Terms Use if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with the Company, or

Terms of use: * Post, upload, transmit, share, or store content which is unlawful, defamatory, infringing, obscene, or invasive of another's right to privacy or publicity;

I find her language offensive and defamitory: "Or you could just go fuck yourself."

You have already warned one time of uploading copyrighted images. Cropping off the copyrights is no defense.

payne.bellamuerte@yahoo.com is a minor.

(-: Chas.M.  :-) 12.72.105.21 08:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome and the clean-up! I've been posting "cross-wikia" links to HowTo from Home occasionally. When you have a howto that would be helpful around the home, it would be great if you wanted to add a link to the howto on an appropriate Home Wikia page. Best wishes! -- CocoaZen 20:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Forms to make how-to's easier
ZyMos

I was looking at other howto sites and most of them have a few sections (introduction, steps, resources required, video, photos, etc) What do you think about changing the edit page to have a similar form-style article creation process - instead of just an edit window? Thanks color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 19:51, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

sorry for the delay
I'm fooling around trying to make it work. You can change the number of sections in the form and their names here: http://howto.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Createplate-HowTo

Wikia is moving to categories being more important for all wikis, so it's best to let that naturally occur and not get too worried about it. Categories help people navigate and help get content get ranked better in google

does that help?

color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 04:31, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

On the changes
Hey ZyMOS!

I was hoping one of the founders of Wikihowto would react to the changes that have been introduced lately, so I'm really glad you did. I hear your concerns about the lack of discussion. My only explanation is this: as the site was dead (which you pointed out yourself), I decided to follow another wiki principle, i.e. the "Be Bold" rule. So I don't feel this was un-wiki, and I hope you will agree.

The changes introduced so far were mainly done in order for Google to show the wiki higher up in search results, which will (in time) enable us to attract more visitors and contributors.

Next batch will center on improving the design and usability. This will include a new shiny skin, probably another take on the logo and improvements to the article creation process.

That said, I will be very grateful for any input you might have. Another pair of eyes is always a good thing, right?

Also, I must say I love your idea of having Object pages. I have even thought of introducing a new Object: namespace to keep them ordered, but... One of my goals here is to make the site usable for the broadest possible set of people, so that we can eventually have How Tos on every topic. Having "Object" in the title might seem like technobabble to some, so maybe it's best to leave the articles where they are. ;)

Once again -- glad you're still active and I'm looking forward to catching your edits in RC. If you have any ideas, improvements or concerns, please let me know. I hope we can bring this site back to life together.

--TOR 23:55, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

hello
thank you, if i need help i will call for you, ^_^

Python
I can write some about python language and his libraries. I'm python developer. I can link to your wiki on m wiki about python

Orneo1212 13:51, February 19, 2010 (UTC)